Talk:Secretary of State for Scotland

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Discussion[edit]

Who is Alistair Darling Secretary of State for Scotland responsible for appointing


"Bobbin' John" appears as John Erskine, 6th Earl of Mar under Earl of Mar, but John Erskine, 23rd Earl of Mar here: please sort it out and correct Jacobitism. Thanks, dave souza 06:53, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Before the Union[edit]

The assertion that the post of Scottish Secretary was created-setting the case of Lauderdale aside- after the parliamentary union is wrong. It had existed since the Union of the Crowns, with varying degrees of importance. Apart from Lauderdale, those who held the post prior to 1707 included the earl of Melfort, under James VII, and Sir John Dalrymple of Stair, under William III. Also the post did not 'lapse' in 1746; it was abolished. After this Scottish affairs came under the control of the Lord Advocate; and so it remained until 1827, when responsibility passed to the Home Office. Rcpaterson 23:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

William II, surely? john k 00:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The pre-Union Secretary of State is dealt with separately at Secretary of State, Scotland. A link between the two might be helpful,--George Burgess 14:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Link made. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:46, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

  • Support -- The distinction between Secretary for Scotland and Secretary of State for Scotland is a narrow one. I sorted out a link across the period of the Act of Union/Treaty of 1707, but did not think of doing this. Most of the information is already duplicated, and done better here than in the other. However, a redirect should be retained. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:01, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Support -- Secretary of State for Scotland is the current title and will probably remain so until independence. Renata

From Talk:Secretary_for_Scotland[edit]

There was a Secretary of Scotland, commonly referred to as the Clericus Regis long before the Union of parliaments. (Some have confused this position with that of Lord Clerk Register but that is incorrect). So this article needs some re-writing to get the history correct. David Lauder 08:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

That earlier post is dealt with in the separate article on Secretary of State, Scotland --George Burgess 15:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah. My suggestion is that the titles for these pages should be reversed. The post-Union chap was called Secretary of State for Scotland. The pre-Union fellow was called Secretary of Scotland. Regards, David Lauder 20:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Afraid that doesn't work. The post-union chap was only a Secretary of State from 1926 - from 1885 until then he was a mere Secretary for Scotland.--George Burgess 13:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
What is your reference that the pre-1709 Secretary was "Secretary of State for Scotland". I can't find one. That is why I think the page entitled Secretary of State, Scotland is incorrectly titled, when it should be Secretary of Scotland. Regards, David Lauder 11:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

It sounds as if we should MOVE the other article, but ensure that we keep the links between the two separately named positions, since there is a direct succession form one to the other. I will leave others to sort this out. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:15, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

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Needs expanding[edit]

I put down some bare bones of an expansion since the age seems pretty bare but much of it was just placeholding so if anyone would like to contribute more I'd welcome it especially in terms of historical role and current views of the role. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamnotacylon (talkcontribs) 16:08, 18 January 2017 (UTC)