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|Rock dove was one of the Natural sciences good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.|
|Current status: Delisted good article|
|Rock dove has been listed as a level-4 vital article in Biology. If you can improve it, please do. This article has been rated as B-Class.|
- This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Rock Pigeon/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.
|1. Well written:|
|1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.||There are a variety of short sentences and paragraphs in this article, these are discouraged in the GA criteria.|
|1b. it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.||Words to watch: Important (peacock term) Various (too vague) Many (too vague) Several (too vague), very (too vague), almost (too vague)|
|2. Verifiable with no original research:|
|2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.||Ref 22 needs verification to establish notability and all references need to be directly after punctuation (ref 22).|
|2b. all inline citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines.||Here is the problem. There are some statements which are not sourced, which isn't ideal for a GA.
They often host the intestinal helminths Capillaria columbae and Ascaridia columbae. Their ectoparasites include the Ischnoceran lice Columbicola columbae, Campanulotes bidentatus compar, the Amblyceran lice Bonomiella columbae, Hohorstiella lata, Colpocephalum turbinatum, the mites Tinaminyssus melloi, Dermanyssus gallinae, Dermoglyphus columbae, Falculifer rostratus, and Diplaegidia columbae. The hippoboscid fly Pseudolynchia canariensis is a typical blood-sucking ectoparasite of pigeons, found only in tropical and sub-tropical regions. There is no inline citation for this.
The Rock Dove was first described by Gmelin in 1789. This is unsourced.
Ref 4 (Gibbs, David; Eustace Barnes, John Cox....) leads to a dead link, this needs to be fixed.
|2c. it contains no original research.|
|3. Broad in its coverage:|
|3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.|
|3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).|
|4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.|
|5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.|
|6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:|
|6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content.|
|6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.||There is an image with no caption, and text should not be sandwiched between two adjacent images. This happens twice in the article. The gallery needs an introduction. Only captions with full sentences need full stops. Captions need a capital letter to start.|
|7. Overall assessment.||Delisted|
@Bpuneet: @BreckenTulloch: @MacFishy: @Arshiya.sheikh: @SStarman15: - are you all involved in any educational project to improve this article. If so please do see the comments at WT:BIRD - you are welcome to discuss this (as is perhaps your course instructor). Shyamal (talk) 05:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
No feeding section
I came to this page to learn what Pigeons normally eat and was quite surprised to find nothing on it's diet or feeding behavior. This is normally included in wikipedia pages on animals so shouldn't it be here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 04:07, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
The whole Osmoregulation section does not fit in with the rest of the article. It is not clear how much is specific to this species, and how much to other birds or even other animals. The non-specific parts should be refactored to other articles, whether osmoregulation or kidney or the relevant clade (Columbiformes, chordata, or whatever). Also, much of it appears to have been written by a non-native speaker, making it even harder to understand. jnestorius(talk) 11:11, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
I agree, also the part at the end of the article contradicts itself. On the one hand it says that the kidney cannot produce hyperosmotic urine. Then in the next sentence it talks about countercurrent exchange and the production of hyperosmotic urine. Something about it can't be right. I'm in medical school, so I know a bit about osmoregulation and renal systems. However I'm not too up on rock dove physiology, so I don't feel that I could write the correct article. Kingfishersfire (talk) 01:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- I did copyedit on the section, but am at a loss on what should be done with it. It seems way-too-specific to be moved to osmoregulation or Columbiformes, and I'm not a good judge of the content to make substantial cuts. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
We shouldn't mention feral pigeons in this page. They've already gotten their own page, and i'm thinking to either move the sections talking about ferals to the feral pigeon page, or merge that page with this one or the domestic pigeon page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthropophoca (talk • contribs) 12:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Producers and Scroungers not being real.
Before creating this account and editing this page, i have talked to a pigeon breeder who breeds birds for pets, Danielle Ramsey. She observes her flock on a daily basis, observing their behavior and temperament. When presented with the section in concern, she said this: https://theramseyloft.tumblr.com/search/scroungers Now pigeons live in flocks, where both parents raise one or two squabs to weaning. The male educates his children in being an adult pigeon, one of them being the location of food and water. Pigeon flocks also employ navigators to find their way home after foraging: https://www.audubon.org/news/in-homing-pigeon-flocks-bad-bosses-quickly-get-demoted Perhaps we could mention that their navigating abilities is an adaptation to return after foraging.Anthropophoca (talk) 04:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)